Do Loud Pipes Save Lives?

Loud Motorcycle PipesTHE DEBATE GOES ON. I’ve never struggled so much to write a motorcycle article as I have with this one. A reader challenged me to enter the discussion about loud pipes earlier this year. At the time, I thought it an easy endeavor because I had my own years of experience and opinion on the matter.

However, I made a mistake: I decided to research the matter. And in the process, my opinion has been somewhat modified.

The Search for Evidence: “Loud Pipes Save Lives”

As you, too, might be inclined to do when seeking more info on a subject, I did an Internet search for “Loud Pipes Save Lives” and read through numerous articles at the top of the search results and much lower in the results.

What I came away with was less certainty on the subject than when I started. And more so than any time before, I recognized that truth can be illusive.

Now I don’t know if my personal experience is typical, or atypical, but I did ride for years with high-performance (and loud), exhaust pipes – when I was much younger. To this day, I don’t know how my ears survived. (Well, the fact is, now that I’m considerably more mature, the question of how well they survived is just as murky as my research on the matter of whether loud pipes save lives, or not.)

Although it appears my hearing is not as good as it used to be, how much of that is due to loud pipes or lots and lots of very loud concerts and very loud music blasting through headphones is difficult to discern. I’m sure it’s safe to say that neither supported long-term optimal hearing. (I only started wearing ear plugs while riding several years ago).

Loud Pipes Are Impractical For Long-Distance Touring

My first coast-to-coast motorcycle trip was on a motorbike with a high-performance, non-stock exhaust system that did not endear the neighbors to my notion of a spirited form of transportation. Although I’ve ridden coast-to-coast across North America a number of times since, I recall that first trip as a highlight of my life. And although I could discourse about the virtues of that summer adventure, in the early 80’s, for hours on end, one thing that I realized without any advice, feedback or suggestions from anyone else, was that loud pipes made for uncomfortable long-distance riding (and also that I would be switching from chain-drive to shaft-drive motorbikes for touring).

Personally, I don’t like loud pipes. As much as I love each and every kind of motorcycle, the only ones that diminish my enthusiasm for the brotherhood are those that disrupt the neighborhood harmony by announcing their every breath coming and going.

So, here I am, a long-distance, mature rider, with hundreds of thousands of miles of motorbike experience, who “used” to ride with loud pipes, and who has not liked them for years, and who is philosophically opposed to them due to their inherent and ongoing damage to the motorsport in the way they impinge on the lives of those non-riders whom are adversely effected by the noise pollution of their very existence. Hence, wouldn’t you think I’d be a vociferous opponent of the same?

Which brings me to the point of the first paragraph. I was already aware of the lack of real evidence that supports the concept that “loud pipes save lives.”

But lo and behold, my research did find anecdotal reports that extol the virtues of loud pipes.

The Truth, or Not?

So, what is the truth?

Are those riders who state that loud pipes “have” saved their lives just plain wrong?

What my research did “not” do is change my perspective on whether I, personally, will integrate loud pipes back into my riding: I won’t. In fact, in the future, I will likely include an electric motorcycle (which are practically silent), within a stable of riding choices.

However, what has resulted from my research regarding loud pipes is a softening of my perspective. Even though scientifically unproven, if riders’ lives have been saved because of loud pipes, or if riders believe they are safer with loud pipes, those are some compelling factors – at least for those individuals.

Even so, such does not address the rights of others to “not” be subjected to the noise of loud motorcycle exhaust systems.

In conclusion, although I am not an advocate for loud pipes, and even though I disagree with the use of the most obnoxious ones, and even though there is no hard evidence in support of their use as a safety catalyst, and even though the loudest pipes do damage to the overall public perception of motorcycling, I respect that there have been “some” quantity of riders (however large or small), who are still riding, purportedly as a result of loud pipes. Which has caused me to re-evaluate their application.

Better yet, what do YOU consider is the truth? Do loud motorcycle pipes save lives?

753 thoughts on “Do Loud Pipes Save Lives?

  • dan, folks like you are a perfect illustration of why america is at the bottom of the education ladder of developed nations. keep up the ignorant babbling.

  • Back to the subject of loud pipes, It’s a no-brainer! How many times have I seen big bikes go virtually SOUNDLESSLY down my street and marvelled that a big bike like that had no balls! (but that’s a different subject!)

    Anyhow, I have a neighbor who is 78 and does not have the mobility to turn her head as much as one would need to in order to know if a car or bike is coming up behind her in a parking lot.. She said she has almost backed up into a car on 2 occasions b/c she couldn’t see them.

    I can guarantee you that if I were approaching her on my Harley, she wouldn’t need to look to know that I was around!

    This is just COMMON SENSE. We employ ALL our senses to judge situations when we’re out riding or driving our cars. SOUND, for a relatively small vehicle like a motorcycle, is just one more safety feature, in my view. I know for a FACT that cars have HEARD me before they have SEEN me b/c they COULDN’T see me due to a vehicle blocking their view. One guy just 2 weeks ago did not pull out from a small side street b/c he could hear me coming. A huge delivery truck was blocking his view, his window was open and he heard me coming. How could he not? I have loud Vance and HInes pipes and I thank God I do.

    I think anyone who says loud pipes don’t save lives is just annoyed by the asshole hotdogs out there who love cracking their throttles and showing off. Well, I am too, but I’m not giving up my loud pipes until the government steps in and tells me I have to…which I’m sure is down the road.

  • LOL…..guess you heard, huh….

    From ABC News:




    Well, Roy, you’re certainly right about one thing….there is definitely a very questionable”bill of sale”.afoot….LOL

    And as obama, and his murderous friends in the Muslim Brotherhood would say….

    “As-salam a-hock-a-lugee!”…to all the “Kool-Aide Kids”, and true-believers”….lol

    Doug, I”m sure glad you “don’t like obama”, but, I agree with you about one thing….”you simply cannot fix stupid…”, as you have proven, post after post….although, if would appear, that the British government is trying, with their decision on the “Kingfish’s” latest debacle in the making….wouldn’t  you agree?.

    Although there are, or have been, at least a dozen or so examples….including eye witness reports, and newspaper accounts, United Nations ambassadors, and Kenyan government official’s statements included….of why any “idiot” MIGHT at least wonder about the questionable validity of the actual location of the socialist camp that the young muslim, obama, was hatched in,  here are two stories about the same subject, obama, and how they are “reported” in the media…

    You all be the judge about which is the more likely to be the truth…and your “obama-phone” shouldn’t play a factor in your decision! lol

    The following, reported by…attacked repeatedly by leftists as “far right wing reporting”, yet only printing what any one else who is curious, can also see for themselves…. is a direct quote from obama’s long time publisher’s  booklet listing the “authors” that it represented, and their biographies, which the authors wrote themselves, but were edited by Miriam Goderich.

    “Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.  The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation.   He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, “Journeys in Black and White.”

    According to the booklet itself, the text was edited by Miriam Goderich, who has since become Dystel’s partner at Dystel & Goderich, an agency founded in 1994. Breitbart News attempted to reach Goderich by telephone several times over several days. Her calls are screened by an automated service that requires callers to state their name and company, which we did. She never answered.”

    Did Breitbart News “make this story up”?…no…it was standard copy for anyone to read….for SIXTEEN YEARS!….

    BUT….from ABC News….a full supporter of “anything, obama”…comes THIS report on the same subject, but in THIS liberal media report, their agenda explains WHY you simply shouldn’t believe what obama wrote earlier….but you SHOULD believe what THEY want you to believe….just disregard anything ever printed earlier…anywhere…if it contradicts what the lying liberal media…and obama…tell you to believe….it makes things SOOOOO much easier to “swallow”, eh? lol

    From ABC News….

    “Obama’s former literary agency “MISIDENTIFIED” his birthplace as Kenya while trying to promote the then-Harvard Law grad as an author in 1991.

    According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

    Miriam Goderich EDITED the text of the bio; (but notice that she didn’t WRITE it ) she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

    “This was ‘nothing more’ than a fact checking error by me–an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. (Nope! As any “idiot” knows, stating that you were born in KENYA is easily, and often, “mistakenly” put down on paper when you are filling in biographical information…happens all the time, I’m “sure”…since the two places…”Kenya, and Hawaii”…sound so much alike! LOL)  I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and NOTHING MORE”.

    This biography stood, AS PRINTED, from 1991 until 2007…a full SIXTEEN YEARS, and through the publishing of TWO “obama” books.

    The biography was only changed, and the reference (which he provided )  to obama’s KENYAN birth place, REMOVED, shortly thereafter, when he announced his candidacy to run for president….which forbids FOREIGN BORN immigrants/aliens from running for, or holding the office of President of the United States.

    Now, MAYBE it’s a “mistake”, that was read over and over  by “idiots and morons”, like obama, Michelle, the Clintons, Ted ” The Chappaquiddick Assassin” Kennedy”, and all other obama democrat supporters….for SIXTEEN YEARS…maybe…and MAYBE someone in the dishonest democrat party finally checked on the eligibility requirements of the office of the president in 2007…since they KNEW obama was, by his own admission, born in Kenya….and found this GLARING disqualification….THEN the denials started….possible?…”yes…no…MAYBE?”  lol.

    “Funny” how MANY “maybe’s” surround everything about this man of a very secretive and dubious past.

    But…he’s proven one thing for sure…he is totally incompetent in ALL ASPECTS of the job that he stole…except when he follows President Bush’s already in place programs, such as blowing the crap out of violent, murdering muslims, and keeping “Camp Gitmo” open…. and America…and Americans…are far worse off than had EITHER McCain or Romney…or even Bugs Bunny for that matter…. been elected.

    What does all this have to do with “loud pipes”?…I’m not sure…except that the Brits are certainly sick and tired…. and skeptical… of ever trusting obama’s “obnoxious noise” anymore….and who can blame them?…lol

    LOUD PIPES (except for obama’s) SAVE LIVES!

  • ya see your point but maybe it was that bill of sale from a place that did not exist till years after the sale date was valid ….does get some to wonder i guess ..

  • there are actually a lot of morons who believe that kenya is in hawaii. no other explanation why they believe someone who was born in hawaii was born in kenya.

    a lot of these same idiots believe this person born in kenya, hawaii, is also a muslim – someone who has initiated 318 drone strikes against muslims in pakistan vs 52 for his predecessor gwb.

    a lot of these same idiots believe this same person born in kenya, hawaii, is a socialist, in spite of the fact that he has sold out to the telecommunications companies, the banks, the drug companies, the insurance companies, and that he calls corporate whistleblowers criminals.

    you simply cannot fix stupid…

  • Kenya is in Hawaiian Islands ????…and I always thought it was off the coast of MASS, ..near. Martha’s vineyard … well how about that, see like I said before ”the right eye never knows what the wrong eye see’s”….

  • Roy, you asked, concerning Gainsville, Ga/Gainsville, Fla…. ” …WONDER WHO/WHY NAMED ALIKE…”

    Hmmm….I must admit that I don’t know that one….maybe the same guy that thinks Kenya is in the Hawaiian Islands? 

    As I’ve “mentioned” before….what I say is true…and easily verified….nice little pun, Roy.   lol


  • my god all over … what are we ”gaining here ” .. wonder if big foot ball towns also ..fl one is nuts on fall sat’s …. ”tebow’s” old school if your into east coast ball…was know for it’s ”gainesville green” in he late 60-70’s …. ”tom petty’s”

  • @Roy
    And there’s one in Alabama, and one in Mississippi, and one in Louisiana, and one in Texas and one in Arkansas and one in Virginia and one in West Virginia, and one in Kentucky, and one in Missouri, and one in New York.

    You need to get out more.

  • vern oh great super we have one also off I-75 north of Orlando , big foot ball school town ..”go gators” thing …where is yours …wonder who/why named alike …

  • Yeah, he probably DID hear me just as he came by the van following me…about the same time that I was able to hear his music…his eyes sure did BULGE when he looked over at me! lol



  • what he did not hear you ???? anyway all that plastic would float for him …ya the nuts are out … Orlando fl 8 dead in 2 weeks .. most lefts into them …hell with hearing motorcycles they can not even see them …stay safe ..” WHAT ” stay safe ..”WHAT” .. wave bye


    My goodness Roy…your geography appears to be as faulty as obama’s.

    Better ease up on the Castrol…you’re beginning to sound like a demented Dr. Seuss! lol


    P.S. Almost got side swiped by a “whisper quiet” Goldwing yesterday, as I cruised the two lane blacktop lining the shoreline of Lake St. Clair. Another rider foolishly passed a line of five vehicles, evidently counting on “diving” into what he thought was an opening in the long line of traffic to escape an oncoming car….only it wasn’t “open”….it was MY space!

    Had his stereo not been blaring a song by Lee Greenwood….”God Bless the USA!”….I may not have slid over to my right and let him in….and he might have easily ended up in the waters of St. John’s Marsh….but I did.

    After the car passed, he gave be a big s**t eating grin, nodded, and blasted off to pass the remaining four cars in front of us….

  • Dan …I did indeed put down the CASTROL-R .long enough to come up for air …. oh by the way Gainesville is in FL. not the great state of GA. …gators -bulldogs for you football types ….and this is for you o dam ” where will the wandering wasties repose ? …In a clump. in a lump on grandaddle’s nose …. Gramps Ebenezer, a teasering, speasering, wheezering sneezer ….A spreadening deadening, dipsy disease …Ungamely, bad-aimly, not-blamely old gezzer … And all becausely the Fauseleys repose on the length in the breath of DAN’S nose … back to the CASTROL-R I fry my eggs in…good stuff ..

  • LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES!….and drown out…or at least lessen… obama-babble!

    Here’s a little “shot across the bow”, while “righteously” stating that there is absolutely nothing to fear to follow, there will be “no boots on the ground” in your living room, and it will be “over and done very quickly”….as some totally inept, pompous windbag in Washington D.C. recently said.

    Sorry Vern, I didn’t mean to insult ALL you Georgians…in fact, I have several aunts and uncles that live in the Gainsville area….and nary a pig farmer among them!

    From Roy………”every body is a pig !!!.”

    Excellent post!…I do believe that you have…at least momentarily….put down the crack pipe, and set aside the Kool-Aide!…there appears to be at least ONE brain cell left alive….nurture it…cherish it…let it grow! lol

    There is definitely a glimmer of hope sneaking through all your previous clouds of negativism, and casting of blame….I am very hopeful!

    We are indeed…”all pigs”….and some, even more so than others!

    With all this talk of pigs, one can’t help but be reminded of THIS ominous warning, written long ago…but more applicable today, under the tyrannical ” It’s the right thing to do, hopey/changey” regime we suffer from…than ever before….that admonishes us to be ever vigilant of corrupt, fascist governments….such as in Russia, China, California…or Washington D.C…..

    Here…with just a couple of my own “alterations”, it warned….

    “….out from the door of the farmhouse came a long file of pigs, all walking on their hind legs…out came Napoleon ( “The Messiah! )  himself, majestically upright….casting haughty glances from side to side, and with his dogs ( Eric Holder, the U.S. Senate, and the liberal mass media! ) gamboling ’round him.

    He carried a whip in his trotter.

    There was a deadly silence.

    Amazed, terrified, huddling together, the animals watched the long line of pigs march slowly around the yard. It was as though the world had turned upside-down.

    Then there came a moment when the first shock had worn off and when, in spite of everything….in spite of their terror of the dogs, and of the habit, developed through long years of never complaining… never criticizing, no matter what happened….they might have uttered some word of protest….

    But… just at that moment… as though at a signal, all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of:


    It went on for five minutes without stopping….

    By the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed…for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse….”

    And, obama-care was now the law of the land!

    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

    EVERYTHING is political!…part of the true Clinton legacy….so, whether you think it affects you or not…from “loud pipes” laws…to helmet laws…to seat belt laws…to “Big Gulp” and “Twinkie Tax” laws….to obama-care….ANY law that involves keeping YOUR freedom of choice, and NOT any TRUE safety issue…is NOT the government’s business!

    STAND UP!…fight them, politically, “tooth and nail”…get back to common sense in government.

    DO NOT let the socialist/fascists steal your freedoms and right to choose.


  • VERN easy son them’s are calif .people ….dan dan … a tale for you ..a southern man was out riding a motorcycle to the west and he stopped for a break yonder is the memorial dump ..trees all bare.. white grass.. black and dead and settin there is a pig and he’s eating a piece of that dump …the pigs causin the air pollution ..the pig is makin’ a dump out of the dump ..the pig says he’s tired of bein’ called a pig ..” the family name is commonplace ” he says ..”everybody’s a pig these days ” …”pig is a household word ” ….” a common-dang-nominator ” …” you can’t call me a pig ,just because i’m a pig ”…well says the rider ” you is a pig! causin’ such a LOUD STENCH ,a man needs EARPLUGS ! you all is makkin; a dump out of a dump …it’s all pure drainage from the slop you pigs chunk in the ever-lovin dump …there it is full of glum-slobber and moogle skimmies…killing the meadow, sand.baggin’ the trees makin’ a sewer out of the little stream …thw pig answer’s back ” well before us reg’lar pigs can mess around with this stuff .. some other pig gotta throw it away ” …”it’s your fault mr rider ”….the rider thinks on this and says ” we’re betrayed by out friends! whilst all us good folks is leadin’ blameless lives ” …” other careless, unmindful of their neighbors, dumps as they pleases ” …” destoryin’ the country for us ” ..moral of the tale . everbody’s at fault, everybody’s guilty! everybody’s under arrest … every body is a pig !!!.

  • Hey, Dan. Not all of us here in Georgia are pig farmers. And just because a pig’s tail is curly cue like a cork screw…well, that’s probably just coincidence. lol


    Roy, let’s keep the penis envy thing out of this, okay?  lol

    I agree with Vern, though, some of the “new stuff” you’re putting out is quite humorous….and even educational!

    I have to admit, I did not know that “Uncle” Genghis (on my mother’s side), invented the cork screw…I always just figured it was probably a Hillbilly, somewhere down in Georgia….most probably a pig farmer.  lol

    And, I especially like the “Better to be shot out of a muffled cannon…than squeezed out of a loud tube”….somehow it seems very fitting for a “loud pipes” thread….not exactly sure what that means, but I like the sound of it! lol

    Are you sure you haven’t brought in a “ghost writer”?….kind of like obama did for “his” second book? ( some say obama’s buddy, the radical anarchist bomber, Bill Ayers,  actually wrote THAT one! )….the difference in style and word usage is very similar!  lol

    Doug….quite possibly your very best post….brief, and yet a fine example of that liberal “non-logic” logic I’ve spoken of…nice job.  lol

    On a “side note”…in actually keeping with the intent of this thread, I will relate that I had TWO separate instances yesterday….PROVING AGAIN…at least to me, and other “believers”, the added safety feature of having….and “judiciously” using…”loud pipes”….

    On two separate occasions, there were vehicles waiting to enter the roadway I was traveling on….both vehicles were entering traffic from right side, intersecting roads, and appeared to be planning on making LEFT turns, into the roadway,( though NEITHER driver had a turn signal flashing)  as BOTH drivers were LOOKING to the right, monitoring oncoming traffic…BUT I ( always the “eagle eyed, check every detail”, expert, two-wheeled mechanical “equestrian”! )  noticed some slight FORWARD wheel movement from their front wheels…neither vehicle, in either incident,  was, in fact, at a complete stop, and the drivers were BOTH “spring loaded”  to enter MY roadway, if they felt they could beat the oncoming cars from THEIR right….clearly a dangerous situation in the making, yet all too common…as all LIVING bikers know!

    So, with the calm, collected, steely-eyed experience of a  “combat mission  hardened” veteran, I selected the most efficient “weapon” at my disposal…given the speed, range, and “threat scenario”…and “let fly” with, not one…but TWO!…quick, and deadly accurate “blips” of my trusty Screamin’ Eagle, slip on mufflers!

    The results…as always…were right on target, with pinpoint accuracy…and BOTH drivers….in BOTH, potentially life threatening situations….IMMEDIATELY looked BACK TO THEIR LEFT…in MY direction!…their front wheels came to an immediate, and complete stop…NO MORE FORWARD MOVEMENT from their vehicles….and BOTH DRIVERS were IMMEDIATELY focused on ME…although, I must admit, I’m sure I was merely incidental, as they visually oggled my beautiful, black, Harley Davidson, 100th Anniversary Edition….Night Train!…I mean…who can really blame them?  lol

    So, despite the naysayers, and “bright clothing is just as good as loud pipes” ( remember the drivers have to be LOOKING directly at you for bright clothing to be effective! )…or even the “my loud horn is better, and not continually annoying to others” people types, I would add this possibility…remote as it might be…WHAT IF…when I decided to hit the horn button, there was…as remote as it might be….a “bad circuit”, an electrical short, or simply a corroded ground connection of the horn circuit?….the results, with the resulting delay…COULD…possibly….have led BOTH, OR EITHER driver to NOT look DIRECTLY AT ME…and continued the slight forward roll, with the possible entry into MY bikes pathway.

    No gentleman…and I’ll even include lying liberals…LOOSELY! lol…. in this “heads up” advice….when we are riding our chosen “mounts”, the engine is ALWAYS running….and the pipes are ALWAYS “exhausting”….especially my sweet sounding, Harley Davidson, Screamin’ Eagle, slip on mufflers…and are ALWAYS “locked and loaded” for immediate, and totally reliable deployment, against any actual, or perceived “enemy”.

    As a very, very great man once warned….”Trust…but verify!”


  • Roy says: THANK YOU VERN ..a fellow rider just north of me who I hope would ride all nite through a fog storm in traffic to put himself into what somebody told him was the ugliest and tightest decreasing-radius turn since Genghis Khan invented the corkscrew

    Vern replies: Huh?

  • THANK YOU VERN ..a fellow rider just north of me who I hope would ride all nite through a fog storm in traffic to put himself into what somebody told him was the ugliest and tightest decreasing-radius turn since Genghis Khan invented the corkscrew …it’s mainly a matter of taste …and one of my finest addications ..” the track is for punks. we are road people ” .south of you..some of you loud muffler people will say that slow is good as long as you sound fast – but I will tell you that fast IS better , slow and loud is just a lot of hot air noise ..being shot out of a muffled cannon is better than being squeezed out of a loud tube ..add in fun the deadly element ..bold and reckless moves…we are motorcycle people , we walk tall and shit on the chest of everything else …

  • Roy, I sometimes find your ideas at odds with mine, but I must admit your witticisms are fun to read.

  • see T.C. you glad I keep it clear and short and to the point ..yes sir reee atavistic mentality …a peculiar mix of low style, high speed, pure dumbness and overweening commitment to all dangerous pleasures …because on some days you get what you want and on others you get what you need .. not so ..the brain is such a wonderful instrument [ until god sinks his teeth into it ] can believe what ever you want ..

  • “Loud pipes” certainly DO save lives…and can be so soothing to hear as they break the waning night’s silence on a warm, summer morning, in the soft light just before dawn breaks.

    As I open my laptop this morning to see if and what type of liberal tripe might be spewed today, I hear my nearby neighbor leaving for work.  He rides a Harley….and the sweet, low tones of his exhaust as he slowly rumbles down the street, and out to the highway is always a very pleasant sound…kind of like the old neeeee-gro spiritual, sung by Paul Robeson….”Swing  lowwwww, swee-eeet chariot, Coming for to carry me hommmmme”…ahhhh…the soothing beauty of a strong, pure, bass note….priceless!  .LOL

    Jeez….what a day, yesterday was.  No TV…no internet…no phone service….such are the “fruits” of “bundling” with Comcast, our local, and only, cable provider…..

    Then, trying to deal with the “customer service” department…you know, those guys named “Joe”, or “Dave”, or “Jeff”…etc….the ones in Calcutta…yeah, that’s another “joy” of bundling….

    It’s always fun to hear their surprise when they ask, “To whom am I speaking, please, and how are you today?”….and I give them my reply…”I am Apu…I am fine, thank you, and yes, I am the account holder…and we are in the middle of the monsoon season…how is the weather in Calcutta?  LOL

    Just goes to show you, when you put “all your eggs in one basket”, and eliminate competition, things may look fine for a while…then, complete failure, and loss of all choice…”.chaos and anarchy” follow….just like the coming, liberal democrat government run monstrosity known as…..OBAMA CARE!

    Doug…what is the point of posting such false, re-hashed, liberal lies as the post from some loser on Kos?…Kos, Mother Jones, Huffington Post, Slate, etc, are all the same hate filled lies and distortions. If I, or anyone else wants to hear or read more of that trash, they need only tune in to ANY cable “news” network from the obama “owned”, liberal mass media outlets…but why bother?…their “tune” hasn’t changed since the scum sucking Clintons came to Washington, back in 1992, and America’s “press” began their total sellout to liberal, democrat lies and deception, rising to a deafening crescendo with the coming of your “messiah”,  and every liberal’s wet dream, the” Kenyan Flash”….the socialist “artist” formerly known as obama.

    I would be happy to sit down and debate that typical,  hate filled, totally dishonest liberal loser from Kos….in person.  I could…and would…easily disprove every single false statement that they make…as I have basically done with your lies.

    Personal opinions…as wrong as your’s may be about liberals, their dishonest tactics and unsavory goals for American society, and what you and the liberals THINK is “the right thing to do”, aside…those totally wrong conclusions…proven wrong in each and every generation, in country after country  foolish enough to try them, with the disastrous results clearly evident all over Europe, Italy, Spain, Greece, etc…will, unfortunately never change, I guess.

    However, don’t act like the typical negro mob joining in to “pound the lone white boy”….as they did to the elderly WW II veteran in Washington…the innocent Australian student in Oklahoma….the young white boy on the school bus in Florida…or the  thirteen month old toddler, murdered in Georgia….if you want to waste time trying to spread your false, delusional liberal beliefs, please don’t post other’s opinions and diatribes on this thread….I believe, and can prove what I say…. and I write my own “material”….please do the same.

    It is a bit amusing to read your recent “admissions”….how much you like big V-Twin engines…”loud exhausts” (but not loud enough to EVER bother anyone else, of course!….kind of like Slick Willie’s “admission” of smoking pot, but NOT inhaling!  lol)…and now….surprise, surprise….how much you “dislike” the “gold encrusted, craven image” of the liberal, democrat party….obama, “The Magnificent”….

    Saul Alinsky would certainly be proud of you!…as you follow his “Rules for Radicals”….1)  Lie…2) Bury them with bull shit…3) Change tactics, “act” like you agree with them to gain their confidence”….yes, old, dead…America hating Saul…who’s “body lies a- moulding in the grave”….would be SOOOO proud of you!  lol

    Face it…your claims are “all over the map”, yet, from the beginning, you have supported, and defended, Barrack “Insane” obama, and his “redistribution of wealth”…in other words, stealing from working American taxpayers, to give to his bottom feeding, unwilling to work, selfish base voters.  Your claims…NOW…that you don’t like him…like all liberal statements…ring totally false and hollow…what you liberal-democrats like to refer to as “disingenuous”….most commonly referred to as simply… a lie.

    Basically, you and I will NEVER agree on what’s best for this country and the people who believe in its morals, traditions, laws, and freedoms.  I like them…know that they are fair, and they have proven that they work.  I don’t want them “transformed” by some dishonest, foreign born, anti-American, socialist/communist tyrant wanna-be…which is what obama really is.

    He…and his liberal/progressive/democrat supporters…. have been dishonest from the beginning…in hiding his origins, his radical associations, his criticisms of America and the Constitution, his gun stealing agenda, and his core belief that ALL white people are basically evil and are to blame for all the failures and miserable living conditions of all “people of color”…unwilling to admit that it is their OWN responsibility to make themselves a better life…NOT others, and others should not be taxed into supporting people who simply refuse to “join the system”, and make a better future for themselves and their families.

    I will never agree with you..or obama…or McKinney…or the Clintons…or any other dishonest liberals on the “goodness” of the liberal/progressive/socialist democrat agenda….NEVER!

    I believe in the Constitution, FAIR laws for ALL, without special privileges for any group…and that one person…the president…is supposed to LEAD the discussion to get a consensus of agreement from others…NOT ram through whatever tyrannical legislation HE wants just because, as obama said to John McCain….”I won”.

    Obama, as a fair minded leader of ALL Americans….and his socialist agenda….has been a total, and disastrous failure.

    The “angry, old, white men” that founded this country, wrote the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, believed in “the pursuit of happiness”….not “guaranteed happiness”.

    Liberals constantly try to change that philosophy.  The try to GUARANTEE happiness…by being unfair to the hardest working, or brightest individual Americans. They apply that agenda to children’s sports, so that everyone gets a trophy just for competing…NOT for excellence in their hard work and performance….the do it in the public schools, with disastrous results, so that the brightest kids are constantly held back because of unruly, disruptive, thuggish behavior of a small minority of kids…so those same thuggish kids “won’t feel a loss of self esteem”….but of course, THEIR children are sent to the best, PRIVATE schools, where academic excellence is taught, and disruptive behavior not allowed.

    Would YOU, Doug, apply that wrongful logic to adult sports…such as the NFL…MLB…the NHL?…or, how about Las Vegas…should those that risk THEIR money, and are successful, be forced to share THEIR winnings with those that lose?

    It crazy “logic”…it’s the ultimate liberal agenda…it’s obama’s dream…and it’s killing our economy and society.

    As obama and his liberal/socialist lapdogs in the House and Senate have shown they are willing to do,  the liberal socialists in California have followed suit and shown, over and over again, they are willing to punish everyone that disagrees with them…since they hold political power, and can do that, no matter how unfair….a growing liberal menace to ALL Americans. 

    That is why legislation such as the tax increasing, job killing, obama-care gets rammed down our throats, or the “loud pipes” law gets passed instead of simply following common sense, and current “disturbance of the peace laws”, and ticketing ANY vehicle…NOT just motorcycles…for creating a true disturbance, or being “obnoxiously loud”…..and if you can’t hear a traffic cop ask if you know why he pulled you over…while sitting with your bike’s engine idling…that engine is “obnoxiously loud”…simple.

    Loud pipes save lives.

    T.C….the truth is out there….you are NOT alone! lol

  • danno, this article is for you & your heroes:

    (from: the daily kos)
    “I meet you all the time. You hate Obama. You hate gay people. You hate black people, immigrants, Muslims, labor unions, women who want the right to make choices concerning their bodies, you hate em all. You hate being called racist. You hate being called a bigot. Maybe if you talked about creating jobs more than you talk about why you hate gay people we wouldn’t call you bigots. Maybe if you talked about black people without automatically assuming they are on food stamps while demanding their birth certificates we wouldn’t call you racist. You hate socialism and social justice. You hate regulations and taxes and spending and the Government. You hate.

    You like war. You like torture. You like Jesus. I don’t know how in the hell any of that is compatible, but no one ever accused you haters of being over-committed to ideological consistency. You like people who look like you or at least hate most of the things that you hate. You hate everything else.

    Now, I know you profess to love our country and the founding fathers (unless you are reminded that they believed in the separation of church and state), but I need to remind you that America is NOT what Fox News says it is. America is a melting pot, it always has been. We are a multi-cultural amalgamation of all kinds of people, and yet you still demonize everyone who is not a rich, white, heterosexual christian male or his submissive and obedient wife.

    You hate liberals, moderates, hell, anyone who disagrees with Conservative dogma as espoused by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. You hate em.

    Well, here are the facts, Jack. If you hate the Government then you are unqualified to manage it. If you hate gay people more than you love America than you should take your own advice and get the hell out. There are several countries that are openly hostile to gay people, but they are full of brown people and you don’t like them much either from what I understand. It looks like you are screwed, but that’s not what I am here to tell you.

    Now that you have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at President Obama and it still hasn’t worked you are panicking. Obama’s approval ratings are still near 50% despite your best efforts to undermine the economy and America’s recovery at every step you can. (and his approval ratings would be even higher if he hadn’t disappointed liberals so much.) You tried to hold the American economy hostage to force America into default on its’ debts, debts that YOU rang up under Bush, so you could blame it on Obama and it failed. You’ve used the filibuster more than any other Congress ever, going so far as to vote against providing health care access to 9/11 first responders. You remember 9/11, don’t you, it’s that thing you used to lie us into a war in Iraq, and then when Obama killed Bin Laden and ended the war in Iraq you told people that he hates America and wants the troops to fail. You monsters. You hate Obama with a passion, despite the fact that he is a tax cutting, deficit reducing war President who undermines civil rights and delivers corporate friendly watered down reforms that benefit special interests just like a Republican. You call him a Kenyan. You call him a socialist. You dance with your hatred singing it proudly in the rain like it was a 1950’s musical.

    Frankly, you disgust me. Your hatred nauseates me. Your bigotry offends me. Your racism revolts me.

    Dear haters, I am openly questioning your patriotism.

    I think you hate gays, Obama, black people, poor people, all of us, women, atheists and agnostics, Latinos, Muslims, Liberals, all of us, I think you hate every one who isn’t exactly like you, and I think you hate us more than you love your country.

    I think you hate gay soldiers more than you want America to win its wars.

    I don’t even think you want America to win wars, you just want America to have wars, never ending wars and the war profiteering it generates. You love that kind of spending, you love spending on faith based initiatives and abstinence based sex education (George Carlin would have loved that one), you love spending on subsidies for profitable oil corporations, you spend like drunken sailors when you are in the White House, but if it is a Democrat then suddenly you cheer when America doesn’t get the Olympics because it might make the black President look bad. But oooh you love your country, you say, and you want it back. Well listen here skippy, it isn’t your country, you don’t own it, it is our country, and America is NOT the religiously extremist Foxbots who hate science, elitist professors and having a vibrant and meaningful sex life with someone we love if Rick Santorum doesn’t approve of it. Rick Santorum isn’t running for America’s fucking high school dance chaperone, he should probably just shut the hell up about sex, but he can’t because he has nothing else to run on.

    Republicans can NOT win on the issues. They’ve got NOTHING. All they have is a divide and conquer class war that pits ignorant racist and bigoted people against the rest of us in a meaningless battle of wedge issues and the already proven to fail George W. Bush agenda again of tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, privatization and war profiteering and nothing else, so all they can do is blame black people, gays the government, anybody and everyone else for their own failings. The party of personal responsibility, my ass.

    But they love multi-national corporations, just ask a gay hating and racist religious extremist if they think Corporations are people and they will gladly agree, but if you ask them if gay people are people they aren’t so sure.

    Dear haters, you are the cruel, heartless misinformed assholes who would sell America out to Haliburton in a heartbeat, you would rather pay ZERO taxes than you would see a newly born baby get access to quality health care, you cheer when we discuss denying health care to young people with preventable diseases, and you boo when we discuss the First Ladies plan to cut back on childhood obesity. You are a cross to carry and a flag to wrap yourself in away from being the people who Sinclair Lewis warned us about, but I guarantee that if Fox News told you to dress that way you would, because you are the same blind, ignorant and closed minded dunces who drove this country into a civil war years ago because you are bound to the notion that some men are more equal than others. In short, the reason I proudly wear my union army hat is because of seditious sell outs like you who constantly fuck over working class Americans so a foreign entrepreneur like Rupert Murdoch can get a bigger tax break. If corporations are people, they are neither American patriots nor capable of love. Just like you.

    So stop wearing your hate with pride. Stop celebrating your anti-science, anti-math ignorance. Stop using code words to mask your bigotry like “family values”, especially when you hate my family and when you stand on the same stage as a guy who has had three marriages or if you share a seat in the Senate with a guy who cheated on his wife with hookers while wearing diapers. You should be ashamed. I know that you are just doing this to motivate your misinformed hate cult base because if they actually knew that your ideas will make them poorer than they are now, they would never vote for you. You are doing your best to impoverish your countrymen so rich people can get bigger tax breaks and you can keep on delivering corporate welfare to the special interests who have bribed you, and I am disgusted by the way you gleefully parade your hatred with aplomb. I don’t think you do love America. At least, not as much as you hate everyone in America who isn’t exactly like you.

    You should think about that, and maybe get some help.

    And for the record, I do not hate you. I am embarrassed by you and nauseated by your cruel and thoughtless behavior and your all consuming greed, but I do not hate you. I forgive you and I hope you can change someday, but I don’t hate you. You have enough hate in you for the rest of us as it is.”

  • i enjoyed mad magazine quite a while ago. i never got into pogo much. hunter’s “fear & loathing” books are classics…

  • keep it up, roy. your posts are refreshing! :>)

    ever read anything by gabriel garcia marquez? you should, if you haven’t. i think you would enjoy his writings…

  • DAN to simple I might need to harden it up .for the constituents .??? well I am sure T.C. understands it …because from here on up, it’s all down hill it not …just like the younger generation always rushing in pell and mell the issue before the committee is the present danger, respossibilleries, and does the committee have the testimony and late bulletins to confirm the project effect at all costs ..??? ,, what say ye-all …I indeed urge official and urgent haste in the matter .. to be nobly executed ably and desirable discharged …after all the surgeon general says that breathin is harmful to your health what about loud noise …as we know the law assumes everyman is innocent …until… caught …and as such …a man , viewed as a behaving system is quite simple… the apparent complexity of his behavior over time is largely a refliection of the complexity of the environment in which he finds himself … it not ..?..also a myth is a story imbued with a meaning, the message it contains transcends the naïve medium of the story and allows the hearer to understand why things are as they are … got it …

  • sorry, danno, that you cannot see that i look at barack as the lesser of evil alternatives. and there is no doubt that, when he does try to do something constructive, the lame teabaggers throw america under the bus to stop him. and, as i stated, i believe he has no balls to stand up to them, which i have stated, and which is simply one more reason i don’t like him.

    now, so maybe you will understand:
    – i don’t like barack because, even before he was elected to the presidency in 2008, as senator of illinois, he voted in favor of granting immunity to the telecoms who broke the law w/their illegal wiretapping under gwb. (in fact, the only reason i voted for barack instead of cynthia mckinney in 2008 was because john mclame picked sarah palin as his ruunning mate.)
    – i don’t like barack because he pushed romney-care instead of a single payer health insurance plan. (and i find it ironic that the republicans loved romenycare 15 years ago, before the dems thought it might be a baby step to help get health insurance for all americans.)
    – i don’t like barack because he was ok w/sunsetting the gwb tax cuts only on those americans earning over $400k/year. i think he should have let them expire for EVERYONE, back in 2010, instead of going along w/the republican plan of extending them further, and them wimping out and not allowing them to expire for everyone in 2012
    – i don’t like barack for even suggesting putting cuts in social security or medicare on the table. medicare is only partially funded by the federal budget; social security is funded completely separately. the idea that these programs are in jeopardy is a joke. social security is funded ONLY from revenue on income BELOW $110k – why is that? why isn’t income OVER $110k taxed for social security? if it was, there would be no problem keeping it solvent. and its 6% rate could also be slashed.
    – i don’t like barack for impugning the integrity of edward snowden, who i regard as a true american hero.

    i stand by the statements i made earlier – even when barack tries to do something worthwhile, repubs throw america under the bus to stop him. and yes, all things considered, i don’t think he’s done all that badly. when he first took office, america was in its worst financial crisis in 80 years. but do i like him? no – i think if he had a pair, he could have done a LOT better… if he was anything even resembling what YOU say he is, he WOULD have done a lot better. ;~)

  • RE: Dan says: August 27, 2013 at 7:07 am – ” For Roy….”Huh?” ”

    Thank God! I was beginning to think it was just me ….

  • Loud pipes save lives.

    Well, Doug, in reply to your questions for me….

    “What part of “i do not like barack obama” do you not understand? why cannot you get it through your thick imbecile skull that i am no fan of barack obama?
    Why do you keep insisting on spewing garbage that has no basis in fact or reality? is it because, once again, your mind is made up and you do not want to be confused w/facts?”

    I guess I’d have to say, maybe it’s one of your many…VERY supportive….quotes about the lying obama, like THIS quote of your’s from December, 2012……..

    ” I think he has done remarkably well, especially since congress, just like you, was happy to do everything they could to see him fail, even throwing America under the bus in order to do so.” ….Damn, it’s tough for you liberals to remember WHICH lie you told WHEN, isn’t it, Doug? lol

    And, in response to THIS admission of yours….

    “and i am a liar.. lol!”

    …I’d just have to simply reply…”We know”….and add a quick “Thank Ya’, Jeee-zus!!!!! lol

    For Roy….”Huh?”

    LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES…. might get lying liberals to admit the truth…and may even perform other miracles! lol

  • dan-o, instead of replying to your mind-numbingly ignorant boring uneducated ranting, let me simply ask you this:

    what part of “i do not like barack obama” do you not understand? why cannot you get it through your thick imbecile skull that i am no fan of barack obama? why do you keep insisting on spewing garbage that has no basis in fact or reality? is it because, once again, your mind is made up and you do not want to be confused w/facts?

    and i am a liar.. lol!

  • high vern glad to see you back …well T.C. I am sorry if my thoughts are not to clear ..BUT after dan and doug I thought keeping it short and sweet was the best way ..after all I have yet to see any problem, however complicated, which when you looked at it in the right way, did not become still more complicated …and I thought the message transcends the naïve medium of the story and allows the reader to understand why things are as they are riders we have saw the sausage creature one time or another ..not so ?? being held down on a gurney with compound femur-fractures and your scalp sewed back on.. so some top super-secret intelligence missive communique from the chief for your eyes only from the top of the waterfall was not in the best interest from me anyway … short and clear that’s me string of cut-out paper dolls sir cryptic hidden meaning ,puzzle, or asterisks with a foot note of the master’s the sir ..just right to the points I am ….and what does that portend ,a superplus palatable political pursuit ..a code obscure exactly know to but one man alone …a one man’s code ..communication is not the point behind the message …secrecy is supreme … yes T.C. the delectable display of dashing deep digging thought dominates ….its the conducting the inducement of deduction is it not ! … think hard’s just another ring in the boomerang !’s ” THE RIGHT EYE NEVER KNOWS WHAT THE WRONG EYE KNOWS ” ..apply as needed to who is needed .. you see T.C there’s nothing like a little honesty …for the constitutional constituents is there …as a firm legal opinion that A] he doesn’t know ,B] either,or C] else …an outstanding discovery unkown to the sender ,unknown to the recipient …so .. a bad ear is worse than a bad mouth it not ..and with that T.C. I will leave you all with this ” WE AHVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US”

  • Do loud pipes save lives?…is Eric Holder, obama’s lapdog, “house negro” attorney general a racist?…the proof is overwhelming…the answer in both cases is YES!

    But, my “Ol’ buddy” Doug-O (hurl chunks, here! lol), has made another claim about me, simply because he refuses to admit that “loud pipes” MIGHT save lives, and he is wounded to the core, that I point out the numerous, and unending lies, and failures of his “Golden Boy” false idol god, obama…however, the answer to his claim of racism on my part is also a simple, honest, and easily proven one., which I have faced many times…from lying liberals….and never run away from.

    Yes, being a lying liberal to the core, Doug-O thinks he “has me” here…for he has done what ALL lying, dishonest liberals ALWAYS do…he has played what lying liberals feel is their “Ace of Spades” in their arsenal of deceit…and no, I’m not talking about their Kenyan born, lying muslim messiah, obama….Doug has played “the RACE CARD!”…about here, I, as an honest conservative, am supposed to be wringing my hands, whimpering, and cringing in fear….AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!….I’ve been playing against that “liar’s poker card game” with lying liberals all my life, and it “scares me not”…lol

    “Am I a racist?”….Hmmm….Yep…and so are you, dog-o…I mean “Doug-o”

    In fact…it IS a fact….ALL HUMANS ARE RACIST!…it’s been proven over, and over, and over again.

    When left to their OWN choices, and without any PRIOR familiar connections, people of any given race will ALWAYS tend to “connect”, or “congregate” with people of their own race.  Whites do it, negroes certainly do it, Asians, Lah-teen-ooooos….EVERYONE does it..

    All living creatures have the innate desire to be with those of their own species…and don’t get technical…we are NOT all equal.

    The REAL problem comes in when the American, dishonest, LIBERAL politicians FORCE people to be in constant,  CLOSE contact with other groups, without the ability to separate and go their separate ways at the end of the day.

    Then, the major differences, that we can all put up with, or ignore for a certain amount of hours in a day…such as at work, or school, or during sporting events…become tedious, stressful, even aggravating, to the point that real friction develops and the angry…even violent…flareups occur.

    But, the dishonest liberals will never admit that FACT, and they always say that we need another “study”, or “more money” for some other failed program, such as a “race…sexual…gender…religious,  understanding program”…you pick one, or hell, add your own….and THAT will make everything “okay”…because, after all…according to misguided, dishonest liberals…”we’re all the same”.

    You don’t like muslims constantly trying to figure out a way to plant a bomb somewhere, or bring down YOUR airplane when going to visit “momma”?…well, YOU”RE just “prejudice!…or…You don’t like violent, negro thugs beating your kid within an inch of his life on the school bus…while the negro bus driver stands by and watches, without lifting a finger to help him?…well, YOU”RE just “prejudice”….or You don’t like YOUR kid being FORCED to take Spanish lessons so the new criminal mexican kids can better “fit” into OUR society?…well, YOU”RE just “prejudice!”….and the list goes on and on.

    Funny though, how it’s ALWAYS the WHITE people who are “prejudice”…the gang of negro thugs beating up the lone…smaller…white kid in Florida, or killing the 88 year old WWII veteran, Delbert Belton, in Spokane, Washington, or murdering the 21 year old white Australian student in Oklahoma,  or executing the 13 month old toddler in Georgia,   aren’t “prejudice”…they’re just “misunderstood”….the muslims planning to blow up the local high school during graduation ceremonies aren’t “prejudice”…WE just need to be more “tolerant” of “other” murderous religions….the illegal mexicans sneaking into America, then dumping their kids into OUR schools,then DEMANDING…along with the LIBERAL ACLU and other dishonest LIBERAL groups…and politicians…. requiring US to pay higher taxes to fund all the bi-lingual school programs…and voting ballots… aren’t “prejudice”…WE just need to be more “understanding”…after all, these criminals…murdering OVER
    4000 innocent Americans a year….are just “looking for a better life”, so WE should “have a heart”.

    I don’t like it, say so now, and have said so for decades, and have always…just like now…been attacked as being “racist, sexist, homo-phobic, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant”,  etc, etc, etc…

    My views haven’t changed, they’re common sense views that SHOULD always be followed to protect OUR society, our old people, and our children.  But liberals, like the “mongrel king”, obama, or his mindless worshipers…like YOU, Doug, are so quick to try to destroy American society, and “do the right thing”, while criticizing true Americans that KNOW this is the best country…EVER…and we should follow the rules we’ve ALWAYS had in place…quit saying “the immigration system is broken”, or “we need more ‘race studies” to figure out why young negro mobs of thugs now feel so free to violently attack ANY white person they may come upon…while the racists obama, Eric Holder, Jackson, Sharpton, the Hollywood establishment, the educational establishment, and any, and ALL LIBERAL politicians keep spewing their totally false “America is racist” rhetoric, and the dishonest LIBERAL media runs program after program blaming white America for the violence, and ignorant, and even criminal behavior of these  different  groups.

    Their lies have cost many white American lives, and BILLIONS of American taxpayer dollars have been wasted…for decades, now…on these useless, failed, liberal/progressive/socialist programs….yet here comes YOUR messiah, obama “The Magnificent” with the same old, tired, FALSE “answers” for the liberal failures of the past….just like watching that taped football game I mentioned before…and expecting a different outcome each time…only dishonest, delusional liberals…like YOU Doug…or your anti-white people “messiah”, obama, would expect a different result.

    By the way, the fact that obama IS a mixed race mongrel has nothing to do with whether or not he IS a racist…he had no control over the promiscuous lustings of his misguided, socialist/communist camp following mother…just as no child picks his parents.

    I don’t like liberals and their failed agendas…socialists in any form,  or communists and their views of constantly working to try to overthrow America, and our society.  Obama was raised by people of all these agendas, not to mention being a committed, practicing muslim well into his adult life, and only “changing” to work in the Chicago ghetto, as a negro rabble rouser, when told by the locals, that he basically HAD to be a Christian to work there.

    I don’t like obama because of his racist actions, and political agenda, and his unwillingness to be fair in his dealing with other politicians…and the desires of the American people…i.e. his monstrosity obama-care.   It has nothing to do with his race.

    I hate Hillary Clinton for most of the same reasons…as well as the fact that she has gotten away with more murders than just the four men in Benghazi…does my dislike for HER, and her progressive/socialist agenda make me “sexist” too?

    Or, how about Chuck Schumer, or Mayor Bloomberg, with their dishonest, liberal agendas to take lawful guns away from ALL Americans…despite it being a fundamental right given in the Constitution…not to mention their other liberal ideas, such as Bloomberg’s ban on “Big Gulp” size sodas, and other freedom of choice thefts….does that make me an “anti-Semite”, since both of these two facist wanna-bes are Jewish?

    See the problem with YOUR “non-logic” logic, Doug-O?…basically, it boils down to you being a dishonest liberal that wants to throw “negative” charges at anyone that speaks the truth about your heroes’…the Kenyan obama, Hillary, Slick Willie, Al Gore, Bloomberg, etc…..dishonest, anti-American agendas.

    That same “non-logic” logic is what occurred in the state of California, by the liberal, facists in the state government there, with their extreme “exhaust noise” law.

    Are some bikes too loud?…I’ll say it again…as I have already said from the beginning…YES, and I don’t like them…BUT…when dishonest, lying liberals get in charge they are NEVER rational or fair with the laws they pass…such as helmet laws, seat belt laws, smoking laws, “Big Gulp” laws, “Twinkie” laws, etc, etc, etc…and I HATE THEM FOR IT! lol…it has NOTHING to do with their race, sex, religion, etc…so you can give that tired old charge a rest, and try something new for a change….maybe go back and review your hero, obama’s,  old buddy Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”, or obama’s other close friend and confidant, Bill Ayer’s anarchistic handbook, “Prairie Fire”….they describe how they want to bring down American society in detail…as does obama.

    While you lying liberals are certainly free to think whatever you want, the fact that you simply will not even consider the possibility that “loud pipes” MIGHT help with the safety aspect of riding motorcycles, and COULD, in fact, save a riders life by causing an inattentive car driver to notice them when, without the extra noise, they simply would not, is puzzling to me.  Many…not most, but many… of you are not stupid, really…you just act that way, and are simply BLIND politically to continue to insist that the tried and failed liberal/socialist policies should be tried again…and again…and again…just throw even MORE stolen taxpayer dollars at them this time…as the tax-and-spend tyrant, “Mud Hut Obama” is trying to do….and bankrupting America in the process.

    When is enough failure…enough…. for you people?

    Since you make many claims now of how you just really, really like the big V-Twin motors, and the louder exhausts that free up their bigger cylinder breathing…yet NOT loud enough to ever bother anyone else…oh no, not YOU…it amazes me that you continue to “jump in with both feet”, and argue the position that “loud pipes” have absolutely NOTHING to do with any extra rider safety….I guess it’s all part of that “magical, non-logic” logic that all dishonest liberals somehow sucked up into their DNA in that “long, long ago scum pond” that you all claim to have come from…possible, but I HIGHLY doubt it.

    Actually, to be as polite as I can…politically, I think you lying, dishonest liberals all need a good ol’ “fire hose” enema….’cause you’re certainly “full of it”.

    Well, that’s enough for now, and Doug-o…please don’t be concerned…my “panties” are NOT in a bunch…far from it…in fact, “for your eyes only”…I’m going “Commando” while I reply to your fervent, though simple minded post…it is much more relaxing…allows for “more freedom” and better airflow…kinda like my Screamin’ Eagle slip on mufflers……come to think of it…maybe THAT’S the problem with so many lying liberals…they’re wearing dryer-shrunken briefs that are WAY too tight!….it’s emasculating them, and THAT”S why more conservative WOMEN like and ride Harleys, and other Big Twin motorcycles these days than whiny, dishonest…constricted…. liberal men do!….


    Loud pipes save lives…and squirrels…and sanity!  lol

  • Dan,
    You forgot to mention Eric Holder in your racists list. Plenty of evidence to show the truth of that.

  • GOD or NO GOD .. [ covers all ] its good to have the band back together .. is it not .. with all the warmth and hand holding kumb by yaaaaa …this is what makes amerika great sit around the table for a sunday feast … and talk loud mufflers … and the next thing before you know it,…is ” the mongrel king has a fine new set of cloths” ..”.gtv6 with the trans in the rear ???? .”….”.maybe you lying socialist pig ”….you got to love it … ” pantera , sold by mercury in the early 70’s ” .. ” maybe you anti-American pig ” …” my pipes are louder then yours ” .. ”no they are not” …”yes they are” .. ” well mine saves more lives then yours ” … boys boys boys ….it ALL does not matter ,it don’t mean shit to a AL GORE tree 25 years heck in 5 years really who the fu-k will care about any of this ……I can not wait for the x-mas party about all you readers on electric bikes going 15 mph .. with cards in the spokes to make noise or the dot ”ice crean truck ” tape going around and around .. so the foot pads can hear you coming ..saving the world can be fun

  • hey danno, so i got your little reactionary panties all in a bunch, did i? AWESOME! :>)

    let me set your ignorant reactionary ass straight.

    – i don’t like barack. if he *were* a socialist, maybe i would like him. but he’s a sell out, just like most of the washington political game. but he’s not a racist. half of his family is lilly white. (you, danno? i think you hate everyone that isn’t a white good ol’ boy such as yourself. but just speculation on my part, based on your ignorant ranting.) just be honest, danno – you hate barack regardless of his politics – you hate anything not good ol’ boy ignorant white trash.

    – i am not lying about anything. danno, sorry to break it to you, but not everyone who disagrees with your ignorant passe reactionary view of the world is lying.

    – hey danno, ever driven a gen-1 scion xb? obviously not, or you wouldn’t be so mindlessly insulting about it. it is a kick ass ride. is it as fun as my alfa gtv6 w/oversized motor & too many other performance mods to list? the one that’s similar to the one i used as my daily driver, but i finally drove it into the ground after 200k miles over 10 years, including winters? no, but i got the scion because i did not want to destroy the 2nd alfa like i did the first – less than 1000 still on the road in america. but, the scion, in spite of its shoebox shape, is a surprisingly good performer. its handling is killer, like a sports car. (certainly better than any cruiser motorcycle.) in stock form, its power is just enough to get out of its own way (sorta like a hd crusier), but it’s helped by a cold air intake, headers and exhaust. is the scion as much fun as my de tomaso pantera, w/its hand-built body, frame & suspension powered by a 5.8 litre ford cleveland v8? no, but it doesn’t suck as much gas either. :>)

    – now i won’t bother to stoop down to your ignorant level and try to address all the lame grade-school insults you hurl around at me, since you don’t even know me, and it’s stupid to get in a fight w/a pig, you just end up getting dirty and the pig enjoys it.

    – and regarding all your truly idiotic insults about anyone who might disagree w/you and your ilk, it’s patently clear that your mind is already made up, you don’t want to be confused w/facts. otherwise you wouldn’t conveniently ignore the millions murdered thanks to gwb and his gang of neocons, thanks to their lies and propaganda. all which was supported by the supposedly “liberal” press you babble on about. there is NO liberal press in mainstream media. the press and the politicians have ignorant folks such as you just where they want them – so stupid, misled and angry that you’re happy to vote against your own interests, while the corporate leaders who pull the strings in washington are laughing all the way to the bank.

    now, as it’s a nice day here, i think i will give my loud motard suzuki a rest today, and take the loud h-d powered buellie out for country cruise. ease my mind and soul for a few hours, from the real issues facing this country and this planet, made worse bi ignorant ff’s such as danno. thank dog i live out in the country already, so i don’t have to deal w/the urban mess except when i have to commute to work. ;~)

  • DAN …out standing hit all that right on the head ..and I know you like the h.d noise ok fair enough .. most days I to can live with it but here at Daytona bike week it can be a little to much……all I have always said was it gave them the fuel to do ”other” stuff much packs of NO mufflers at the lights…draws the look of who is disturbing my sleep driving ..again calif. land of the —- and —– they say …

  • My goodness!…a nice, sunny, Sunday morning…a tasty cup of hot coffee….the pleasant rumble of a big V-Twin heading out for a nice, morning ride, my devoted Rottweiler, Daisy at my side….and a stinking, pile of liberal crap on my laptop screen!….nothing ruins a nice, pleasant mood like dishonest, liberal lies…or liars…like Doug, or his false “godhead”, obama.

    The lying weasel, Doug asks…”Wow, Dan….Are you as stupid as you appear?”….”YEP!…AND THEN SOME!”…Dan cheerfully replied….”thanks for asking.”

    But first:   Thanks, Rick…my words are from the heart, and backed up by easily provable facts and figures…unlike Doug’s lies…and  often hidden by the disgusting, obama supporting, liberal mass media,  and it’s good to know that there are still Americans around that appreciate them and know they’re true.

    Now, quickly and from the hip…as it’s about time to turn some high priced, obama fossil fuel into “Milwaukee Music”…you all do realize that gasoline has been double the price…. and more… than it was when the despicable obama took office, and has been during his entire reign of terror, right?….is my address to the smelly gob of goo…rhetorically speaking…. on the sole of my boot, that is any post from some sociopathic, dishonest obama worshiper, like Doug….ughhh!

    Well, Doug….you lying, liberal, obama-butt-kissing, jerk off…it appears your ass isn’t on fire anymore, and you’ve recovered enough to spew your liberal drivel all over the pages of this thread…again….trying to deny that “loud pipes” do, indeed, save lives, without ONE shred of provable evidence…kind of like your dishonest, liberal claims that the THEORY of evolution is, in fact…a fact….Maybe it is, but, maybe it isn’t…so stop lying and saying it IS a fact.  Can you, as the simpleton that you are, understand the difference in that idea?…probably not…..and that logic carries over to the debate on this thread.

    I’m not exactly sure why you take my words so personally…but I’m about 99.9999 percent sure….and, honestly, since I know that you are of such a low moral character, it does my “angry-old-white-men”, red, white, and blue beating heart GOOD to know that it truly bothers you so much…in fact, I am “flag waving” PROUD of it! lol

    Decades of upsetting disgusting,socialist, anti-American liberals like you has always been a favorite hobby of mine….kind of like shooting disease carrying rats at the local landfill.

    You’ve already shown yourself to be a lying, dishonest person of low character and ill repute, with no moral integrity, intelligence, or decency toward women…(Daisy says you probably kick dogs too!)….in fact you embody an almost perfect description of the modern, liberal/socialist democrat.

    Since you…like obama or Hillary…. cannot be trusted to tell the truth at any given time, and have repeatedly shown that you don’t possess the manly integrity necessary to admit it when you are caught in one lie after another…again, both modern liberal, obama-like,  democrat characteristics…I’m not sure that you are worth the time to deal with anymore…you are simply a time waster with nothing of interest to add to the discussion….you simply repeat the same old lies…just like your messiah, the Kenyan born, dictator wanna-be, obama. 

    Is your teleprompter…like obama’s…on a closed loop?

    Your intellectual clarity is…like the “mongrel king”, obama’s…equivalent to a backed up “porta-potty” at an illegal mexican fiesta in South L.A. …overwhelmed with useless, rhetorical refuse of no value to anyone…except other, gullible, liberal Kool-Aide drinkers, who refuse to face the truth about their failed agendas, and their dishonest hero’s attempts to grab more, and more, political power for himself, any way he can….as do the liberal tyrants in Mexi-fornia, with their exhaust pipe laws.

    However, please feel free to continue to rant and rave, and babble on all you want, as this is still MY America, and even liars like you still have freedom of speech, as your “lord and savior”, obama hasn’t quite stifled the internet yet…but he’s trying. Possibly, after your spittle stops flying, I MIGHT decide to comment on one of your dishonest, and illogical harangues….if it piques my interest enough…but, just like your pompous, flatulence filled, messiah’s non stop, dishonest, b-o-r-i-n-g, teleprompter read speeches…most probably not….after all, only a fool…like you or obama…would watch something as predictable as a rerun of a taped football game and be surprised at the outcome…TWICE!

    You know…I think that ugly little, metro-sexual…or is that homo-sexual?… “gen 1, scion xb” that you find so thrilling to drive, seems like just the perfect vehicle for such a rattle brained, weak minded liberal like you to ride around in…rose tinted glasses tightly in place over your eyes…. “Big Gulp” sized cup of obama “Kool-Aide” firmly in hand….as far as the “100 hp/100ft-lb h-d power plant”?…coming from such a degenerate liar as you, it’s kind of like your imaginary, angry “soccer moms” chasing your all over the highway…possible, but I HIGHLY doubt that.

    And, as far as the future of “the planet”…,it takes courage, intelligence, planning, personal risk, and basic common sense to advance civilization…all courageous, “angry old white men” characteristics….not wishy-washy day dreaming, pouting to get your way, and demanding the undo-able, despite the overwhelming costs, the damage to the economy, the loss of jobs, or the increase in taxes, that your “king-wanna-be”, obama thinks he can force on America…simply because he won an election.  If the liberals…like you and obama… do take over….it will be back to the jungle in less than a century….just look at South Africa, and Rhodesia…good examples of people like obama being given the reigns to rule…and destroying a country’s infrastructure, and hope of advancing it’s society.

    One last thing….your messiah, the lying, socialist obama…is a racist to his core.  The racial divide that he constantly intensifies with his racist statements,has never been wider,  such as in the Zimmerman self defense case, or the white cop arresting his belligerent , negro friend on a break and entry call,  is partly to blame for the wide spread,  violent behavior of negroes towards whites these days, and directly resulted in the beating death of the 89 year old, WWII veteran, Delbert Belton, another “angry old white man”….and you and everyone else that voted for, or supports obama….such as the racist Oprah Winfrey, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Harry Belafonte, Morgan Freeman, Samuel Jackson, Louis Farrahkan, the dishonest Hollywood leftists, and the lying, liberal mass media of this country…. has blood on their hands in that senseless, racist murder. …not to mention the murder of the young, white Australian man in Oklahoma, or the 13 month old,  white,  toddler in Georgia…all murdered by racist, obama inspired, negro thugs. 

    Obama takes every single opportunity to fan the flames of racial hatred because…HE is a racist….and Doug, people like you help him….you disgust me.  While these events are recent, they are not isolated…there were over 400 such events of negro on white attacks and murders last year….yet the dishonest, lying liberal mass media networks…that you so proudly point to as “truthful”… never report these stories….it might make obama look bad.

    As far as YOUR bikes having louder than stock exhausts, shame on you! You should be riding around with “whisper quiet” pipes, but, once again, you prove to be…like all modern lying liberals…. a demonstrably dishonest hypocrite….you’re like one of the lying, RICH liberal politicians…such as the, THANKFULLY, dead murderer Ted Kennedy. He had the dishonest gall….very similar to yours…to attack wealthy Republicans, such as Mitt Romney, while all the while hiding MILLIONS in off shore bank accounts in the Cayman Islands….you must be very proud to be a slobbering devotee of such a “wonderful” group of anti-American liars.

    Loud pipes save lives….socialism…and liberals like you and obama…. destroys them.

    Time to ride…gentlemen, START YOUR ENGINES!  lol

  • DOUG…DAN… hey the bands back together .. good to hear from you.. long time .. but like I said 2 years back . it’s coming .now it’s here .. live with it who cares if its right ..saves lives or not ..ok loud might but it was the TO loud that for now forward will not …or old bike riders yes and new bike riders no … and time will weed out the have’s and have not’s ..class war ??…old bike worth more now because it can make more ticket free noise ??? …if your just saying ok it’s calif. who really cares about that state …and ya that’s true enough .. not very many ..with the leaving and moving out .. but the EPA and the feds will keep a $$$ eye on this …and under saving the world it could very well go everywhere again thanks for the nose under the tent H.D. riders your live free ride free … will help enslave us just a little more …ok dan doug your turn

  • Roy, I think I agree with you but I am not sure as I find your writing style hard to follow. Probably me, I know, I am not too current with e-speak – sorry.

    However, here is what I gleaned, and here is what I’d agree with.
    There are 3 basic exhaust-class types of riders – nearly as quiet as a car, loud but legal and, to hell with anyone but me.
    I’m probably from the first group and Dan is from the second group. I love to hear Dan go by, even a group of Dan’s go by, and I’m glad they do because the sound is sweet – however, I don’t enjoy it when it is under me 100% of the time. So stock V-twin exhausts or GoldWings are the thing for me personally.

    If I understand Roy, the “we-hate-all-bike-noise” crowd in California was just waiting for the chance to punish loud bikes. The 3rd group (to-hell-with-anyones) finally pushed it too far and enough ill-informed voters went along with Draconian regs which now do 3 things:

    1. punish the 3rd group (a good thing),
    2. punish all of the 2nd group (an unfair and unreasonable thing), and
    3. punish some of the first group who may be as quiet as a mouse but happen to have super-quiet pipes which are missing some stupid regulatory stamp (an outrageously unfair thing).

    Hope I got that right, and, if that’s now the drill in CA, then I will be giving it a pass for sure.

  • wow, dan… are you really as stupid as you appear? are you one of those “angry old white men”? fortunately for the planet, you and yours are a thing of the past.

    even roy has enough brain cells to realize what the problem is, regarding “loud pipes”. straight pipes and exhausts meant for the race track. yes! please, get them off the street – they suck!

    i have three bikes, all “loud”, w/aftermarket pipes – suzuki dr650 sm; ducati darmah, and buell s2. they are all quite a bit louder than stock. but, not offensive (imo) like straight pipes and racetrack exhausts. i have nothing against h-d motors an their ilk – i have a 100hp/100ft-lb h-d powerplant in one of my bikes myself. (it’s the yawn-inducing ride characteristics of those bikes i don’t like – my gen-1 scion xb is more fun to drive – , but that’s another story.) your ignorant rant comparing those “big-twin haters” with socialists is the height of stupidity and hypocrisy. v-twins are my FAVORITE motorcycle engine powerplant type, regardless of displacement.

    and, as far as your political statements – what a load of pure bull. obama a socialist? lol! barack is in the pocket of corporate big business, just like clinton, pelosi, etc.; and about 90% of ALL the politicians in washington, REGARDLESS of what political label they might pin on themselves. (take a look at bernie sanders, dennis kucinich, and alan grayson for socialist politicians that break the typical washington politician mold. and yes – i think they ROCK!)

    so, danno, you intimate that all these “radical” corporate sell outs are ruining america, preventing freedom-loving americans from having a good time. ya, i guess we would all be better off w/such freedom loving republicans like nixon, bush-1, gwb and his band of imperialist reactionary neocons, mitt romney, paul ryan, rick sanitorium, michelle bachman, rick perry, and all those freaks. sure! they love freedom! a long as you follow the new testament, lock stock & barrel! and don’t forget to get in bed w/the saudi’s, so we can keep all that oil flowing!

    danno, as i said in my opening statement – thank dog that you and your ilk are going the way of the dodo bird. the planet will be a better place.

    doug s.

    ps – much as i like reasonably loud pipes, they do NOT save lives. and the truly obnoxious ones jeopardize ALL responsible motorcyclists – we become targets for irate drivers; and, as you mention, even acceptably loud pipes are now under attack, thanks to the a$$holes who ruin it for everyone, w/their straight pipes, etc…

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